Binary Order – Interview

Interview with Pete Devine of Pete’s Rock News and Views (

PD:  How would you describe yourself or your band as an artist? 

BO: I’m a solo project that combines both the sounds of more industrial metal with a big focus on electronics. The goal with Binary Order for me was always to merge the harsher elements of metal with the more atmospheric and interesting instrumentation of electro.

There’s a big focus in cinematics in what I do, in terms of the sound of Binary Order and the visual element I borrow a lot from film. Especially sci-fi and cyberpunk to create my overall sound.


PD: Can you tell us briefly about your background – i.e. where you’re from, how you came to make music, etc.

BO: Sure. I’m based in the UK (just East of London) and I’ve been writing music since I first got interested in rock/metal music. During my teens I was always trying to write songs in the bands I was in but they’d always fall apart, so when I started university in my early 20s I started writing myself after one last failed project between me and my brother – which actually used the name Binary Order.

It’s something I kept finding myself coming back to, and just considered a hobby for the longest time. It wasn’t until the mid 2010s that I started taking song writing and Binary Order seriously. I’ve always needed a creative outlet and nothing quite works for me the way music does.

The few times during my adult life when I wasn’t writing music, or working on a musical project, I can see in retrospect actually had a very negative impact on me.


PD: Who and what inspires you to make music, both in terms of musical and other influences? What do you like to write about in your songs?

BO: My main inspiration is just a love for music itself, I love crafting songs, I love putting chords together and creating an emotion out of it. The whole puzzle of having to come up with something from nothing and turn it into a piece of art is one of the greatest joys I’ve found in life. I’m making music that I myself like so it’s got that added element of finding my own stuff really cool haha.

Outside of that, emotionally I pour a lot of myself into my music. I was heavily inspired by Trent Reznor’s earlier work and how he would really bare his frustrations and anger. So I write a lot about what I go through and what I experience. Another band that pour a lot of emotion into their work and was very influential early on was Papa Roach. When I first heard Infest it  really spoke to where I was in life at the time, it’s that ability to take a subject and turn it into something positive – like a song – that really inspires me.


PD: What are your aspirations as an artist?

BO: Creatively I’m where I want to be, there are no restrictions on what I create or how I create it right now and that wealth of possibilities is endlessly exciting to me. It’s one of the things that keeps drawing me back to writing.

Outside of that I want to build upon what I did with Messages from the Deep. I really see that album as a start of something for Binary Order, it’s early now but I’d love to write a trilogy of albums in that vein. 


PD: What is the proudest moment in your music career so far?

BO: The release of Messages from the Deep. I’ve been making music for a long time but I think with that release, the reception I got, what I’ve been trying to achieve with Binary Order since I started has finally come to fruition. I’m incredibly proud of that album and view it as the beginning of what Binary Order was always meant to be.


PD: Promoting one’s music is such a challenge these days, especially with so many new artists emerging from bedrooms in the day of the home studio. How is that going?

BO: Promoting my music or emerging from my bedroom? Cause I struggle with the latter much more than the other haha. 

It’s difficult yeah, but it’s difficult to get a lot of attention and that isn’t really my goal. Those who have heard Messages from the Deep have reacted very positively and that’s amazing to me, I’ve had enough retention to carry on making my music public and I’m really starting to build a fanbase of people that are resonating with the music so it’s been nothing but a success on this release.

I’m making music that I think is interesting or cool – and being able to do that without compromise and still get an audience is what every musician, or at least I strive for.


PD: And how do you book and promote your live shows and tours? Any performances coming up?

BO: I don’t currently perform Binary Order live but it’s something I am interested in pursuing if the opportunity presents itself.


PD: What do you think about downloading music online? What about streaming sites like Spotify?

BO: I was getting into music when all that was starting around the early 2000s late 90s, and there are a lot of instantly negative emotions I think a lot of people will jump to with that question, and there are a lot of downsides to what we have now compared to how music was distributed before the internet. I think the art of writing an album has fallen off in favour of singles because of streaming services (Slipknot even spoke about not writing albums anymore) and that’s a tragedy in my eyes.

But struggling to find music, an album or a release back before the internet was a nightmare no one talks about. Being beholden to what was being played on radio or TV (I can’t tell you how many times Kerrang made me watch Tenacious D’s Tribute), and not being able to find a band’s follow up album because stores didn’t deem it to be sales worthy to stock it was awful.

I recently got back into Sevendust in a big way because of Spotify for example. Stores and music channels over here did not give a shit about them and it was impossible to find their material outside of one song I had on a compilation album or the misnamed track I managed to download from Kazaa. For that alone I think streaming sites are ultimately good for music consumption, and that’s what matters to me – actually having access to the music I want to have access to.


PD: What song do you wish you’d written and why?

BO: There are a few I could name here and be happy with my answer but honestly I think the Terminator Theme is probably the most perfect piece of music ever written. Every single time I hear those anvils, the distinctive beat and then those pads kick in I feel like I could walk through fire, it’s just the most beautifully epic, but almost pessimistic, music ever written in my opinion.

I’ve never heard a song that captures that struggle to carry on, get back up, keep fighting like that theme does it’s almost hard to explain. The atmosphere in that track is what I constantly strive for in Binary Order and it’s by far a blue print for a lot of what I write.


PD: Is there anything you don’t like about the music industry, which you would change if you could?

BO: I was at a friend’s house and I was basically being forced to watch the top 40 charts and the thing that really disgusted me is just the length of songs now. Most if not all were barely over two minutes in length and had absolutely no bridge.

It’s obviously done to cram in more plays and I think it’s an abhorrent trend that I’m seeing seep into some rock and metal artists. Albums with songs barely over 3 minutes when before the same band would be writing five minute epics.

There’s a time and place for singles and short songs, hell I love punk and vaporwave, but a lot of what’s happening with this is engineered to sell and not to flourish a creative space for musicians. 


PD: So, what are you working on at the moment?

BO: The follow up to Messages from the Deep. I’m a few songs into it already and I’ve got some tracks on there that are a completely different genre to what I’ve tackled before along with some really good industrial metal riffs already in place. If these get released is another story but yeah, as always I’m really excited about where I’m going musically.

I also plan to release a cover in July (hopefully) but we’ll see. It’s a song that’s been really overlooked from an album that is considered a juggernaut in its genre and one that means a lot to me. I’m very excited to get it done and hear people’s reaction to it.


PD: Where can we learn more about you and buy your music/merch online? 

BO: You can find everything related to Binary Order through my The album is free to listen to/download on various streaming services, I don’t mind how you consume my art I’m just happy people engage with it.

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